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NORTHERN ENGLAND, 1985
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hello?
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BOAT GIRLS FROM ENGLAND
S01E04
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THE POLICE REOPENS THE CASE
OF THE MISSING GIRLS
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Nora?
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Your phone rings.
I think it was an English number.
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Hello, am I talking to Nora Sand?
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Yes.
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I am Police Inspector Spencer
of the London Metropolitan Police.
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Do you have a moment?
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Yes, of course.
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The lawyer has contacted us
by William Hickley.
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wants to talk to you
in relation to your article.
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He is a convicted serial killer,
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that fulfills chain
perpetual here in England.
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He says he has new information
regarding the case.
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So you read my article
about Lisbeth and Lulu?
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I'm not sure how
gave his name,
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but he asked specifically for you,
to go talk to him.
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And how long has he been locked up?
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He was arrested in '85.
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I know it's a lot of information.
Think about it,
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and call me back.
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Yes, uh, thank you very much.
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It was the English police.
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An English serial killer
wants to talk to me.
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Oh.
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William Hickley was convicted in 1993,
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for the murders
of two British women.
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He confessed to the murder of many more,
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but the bodies were never found,
so they remained unresolved.
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Now he claims to have new information
about the case of Lisbeth and Lulu.
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I see.
Could he have killed them?
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No.
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- It seems very unlikely.
- Yes.
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And what about Damtoft?
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An English serial killer?
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- Isn't that a little crazy?
- Yes.
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But it's a little strange
let it happen right now.
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You wrote an article.
I'm sure many people have read it.
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I have to investigate it.
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Are you considering going?
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Yes.
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It's not like I can let it go.
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Famous English serial killer
He wants to talk to a Danish journalist.
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And what about Damtoft?
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It would be a big scandal
if it turns out that he is not involved.
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As everyone knows,
Some things have happened lately.
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That's why I'm here today.
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After this session,
I will stay here for an hour,
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in case you have something
whatever they want to talk to me about.
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But first, let me tell you
what they should do...
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and what they should not do,
if they have an unpleasant encounter.
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I hear that the exhibitionists
They are not dangerous,
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but insecure
for having a small penis.
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Yes. I don't know anything
about the size of your...
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But what we do know is that
These criminals often start...
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with what we could call
minor sexual assaults.
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It could be
exhibitionism or harassment.
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And it can be difficult...
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know the difference
between harmless and serious.
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It's a good idea
be alert, and a little cautious.
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Because these abusers
They are dangerous, you see.
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Unfortunately this is the case
that some, very often men,
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they may have an unhealthy interest
in young girls.
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And this interest can escalate.
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I'm not a psychologist, but I can
assure you that we do see cases...
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some very tragic cases,
where the criminal...
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Where the offender has been
obsessed with young girls,
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and that, in the end,
It ends very, very badly.
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Yes?
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But, they are all
older men pedophiles?
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No. No.
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My point is that, if they have
an unpleasant experience,
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or it happens
to someone they know,
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They shouldn't wait to report it...
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LONDON, HEATHROW
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I read that it was only
convicted of two murders.
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- Technically, there were only two.
- But he confessed 15.
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It's not entirely clear to me.
I never reviewed your case thoroughly.
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For me, it was just
another case filed.
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I didn't think I would come back
to be relevant.
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Why was it only
convicted of two murders?
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The prosecution focused on those two.
The evidence was clear.
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It is a well known strategy
that prosecutors use.
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Charges are reduced...
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to make it clear to the jury
that one is very sure of it.
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You know what it was like back then.
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The police were being reformed.
Thatcher still ruled Great Britain.
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It was all a cost-benefit analysis.
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Everyone knew Hix was crazy.
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It was impossible to prove
all his merits.
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The most important thing was
lock him up for life.
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Two murders were more than enough.
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And now you have new information
about two Danish girls.
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Honestly, I'm very skeptical.
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Most likely,
because that is their modus operandi.
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He likes attention.
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My name is Nora Sand.
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I have come from Denmark
because you wanted to talk to me.
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I took the photographs.
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So, do you know
how did they come into my hands?
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I'm sure he was one of my admirers.
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Where did you meet...
Lisbeth Mogensen and Lulu Brandt?
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On the boat.
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- What ship?
- The one that goes between Esbjerg and Harwich.
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- What happened to the girls?
- I killed them.
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I need proof.
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Facts.
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I suggest we start
for aligning expectations.
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What we hope to get from this meeting.
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No matter what, you will stay here
the rest of his life.
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has no chance
of probation.
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And you don't claim to be innocent.
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So that can't be the reason...
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why you want to talk to us.
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How can I know
that you really took those photos?
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That it's not just something
that is being invented.
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As I see it,
there are two possibilities.
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One is that you want
talk to me because you...
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He wants to ease his conscience.
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But I don't think
May your conscience weigh on you.
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He could have shown his cards
a long time ago.
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Instead of leaving...
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to the families of the victims
living in uncertainty.
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The other possibility is...
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who wants more attention.
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Disappointed?
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No.
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We already have a suspect in Denmark.
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The assistant coach?
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Yes.
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The evidence against him is piling up.
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How did Hix find out about you?
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What does it mean?
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How did you get the item?
What did you write about Lisbeth and Lulu?
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I don't know.
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Everything is on the internet.
It won't be very difficult, right?
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But why would I look for
a Danish article?
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No idea.
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What do they have about
That assistant coach?
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He abused one of the girls on the team,
and several have complained about him.
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We also investigate it
for unsolved cases.
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Photos of Lisbeth and Lulu.
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You did not write how they arrived.
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Where do you want to go with this?
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- I'm just trying to understand.
- Understand what?
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I try to understand...
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why are you
involved in this case.
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The photographs were delivered
in my father's mailbox.
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In an envelope with my name.
No sender.
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- Anonymously?
- Yes.
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Doesn't that bother you?
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No.
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I am a well-known journalist,
so sometimes I get clues.
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Often from anonymous sources.
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And the case has a connection
with my hometown, so...
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So it doesn't surprise me
that the photos would reach me.
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What is the usual reason
of those types of tracks?
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It is often someone who wants
focus attention on a problem.
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Good.
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Could the person who gave you the photos,
have he taken them himself?
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The person you are looking for.
That thought must have crossed your mind.
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Yes, of course.
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Doesn't that scare you?
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No, not really.
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It could also be someone
who knows the perpetrator,
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and he wants to take it to me.
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Or someone who got
the photos and want to point out...
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that the police investigation
It was poor.
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Who gave him the clue
Could he have also given it to Hix?
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There is nothing to indicate that Hix
have something to do with Lisbeth and Lulu.
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No?
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No. There is only one thing that indicates
that is involved.
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That contacted you.
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I'm just trying to
understand the connection.
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Maybe there is no connection.
Maybe it's just a coincidence and...
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madness
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Who knows what's going through your head
From a man like Hix?
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Thanks for your help.
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- It was a good group.
- Yes.
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I think it did good for the students.
your visit.
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- By the way, aren't you...?
- Yes.
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- Are you still in the hospital?
- Yes.
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It's a little battered.
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But you are together,
right? You and him?
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Excuse me. I just...
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That's what he said about...
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They are especially men,
those who have an unhealthy obsession...
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with young women.
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If one turns out to be a pedophile,
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Is there any possibility...
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to get over it or...?
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Well...
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No...
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Not just like that.
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Requires long-term treatment.
Therapy.
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But like I said, I'm not a psychologist,
nor am I an expert on the subject.
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I just don't think it's something
from what one recovers.
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Rather the opposite,
in my experience.
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It's not your fault.
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I should have known.
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And I...
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I'm ashamed.
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you can't
know a person 100%.
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You shouldn't blame yourself
for the things he did.
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He is the only one responsible for his actions.
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Hello. It's me.
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No.
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If it's any help, the police here
It is as useless as that of our country.
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No.
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There was no evidence,
just wild claims.
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It seems unreliable.
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Yes, I think it's just
We should rule him out of the case.
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Wait a minute, Andreas.
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My name is Spencer.
I'll call you back in a bit.
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Goodbye.
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Yes?
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When?
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Good.
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What do you want to know?
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He knows perfectly what I'm looking for.
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What happened to Lisbeth and Lulu?
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How did he kill them?
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And where did he put their bodies?
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I had them both in my basement.
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Lisbeth was easy to get rid of.
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It was weak.
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Lisbeth was strangled.
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And Lulu was strong.
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It was unusual.
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I didn't know what to do,
so I left her...
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in the basement for a while.
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He was strong.
The ones that don't give up.
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It irritated me.
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Find a hammer...
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or some type of weapon,
but I couldn't find anything suitable.
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I remember...
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that was halfway
of the basement stairs.
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And I saw an old vacuum cleaner.
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So I took her with me.
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I opened the basement door,
and she looked at me.
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Confused.
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I remember smiling insecurely.
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As if there were
gone to vacuum the basement.
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Then I approached her.
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And hit him in the face
with the vacuum cleaner.
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At first he collapsed,
because it was heavy.
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One of those old models.
Probably from the time of the war.
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Then he hit her again.
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And again.
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His face was...
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destroyed.
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I could barely breathe.
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And then he kicked her.
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And he hit her hard on the head.
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Until I made sure
that she was dead.
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Where did he put their bodies?
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All this is not important.
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Unless you have proof.
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Yes.
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Yes, I understand.
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It still doesn't mean
where were they buried?
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What happened?
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This is where they were buried.
To Lisbeth and Lulu.
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in the sewer
next to the girls locker room.
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Hazelmeade Park.
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Good.
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We will investigate it.
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- When?
- As soon as possible, Nora.
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We will follow up.
It could take a couple of days.
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I need technicians
and more resources.
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That kind of thing takes time.
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Be patient.
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Hello.
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The police went to the school today.
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They wanted to talk
with the children about...
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And I realized something.
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I wonder if my boyfriend
He is who he says he is.
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Can I trust you?
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Our Father who art in heaven,
Hallowed be your name.
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Your kingdom come,
Your will be done...
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- Coffee.
- Thank you.
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You couldn't wait.
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I'm sorry.
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You have a problem with trust.
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The technicians are on site.
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Are you happy?
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Why the hell would I be happy?
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You solved the case.
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A huge achievement.
Good job. Good journalism.
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Yes.
Good journalism.
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I have been wrong about everything.
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So no.
I'm definitely not happy.
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Yes.
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Yes, okay.
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Come on.
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There is something you must see.
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- Could it be the girls?
- It's too early to say.
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We have found
what appears to be five bodies.
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It appears to be a mass grave.
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Subtitled by Maurybp
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Long live NNF